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By the Guns and Shooting Online Staff
Receiver area of Model 1894 .25-35 test rifle w/action unlocked. Photo by Suzie Patterson.
The rifle that is the subject of this review belonged to Guns and Shooting OnlineSupport person Suzie Patterson's Grandfather. According to its serial number, it wasmanufactured in 1907. At that time the .25-35 WCF was a reasonably popular combination deer, antelope and small predatorcartridge, although .25-35 rifles and ammunition sales never approached the levels attained by the .30-30 and .32 Win. Special.Still, it was chambered in Winchester, Marlin and Savagelever actions for nearly half a century. It was sufficiently popular to be copiedby Remington during the first decade of the 20th Century, when Big Greenintroduced a line of rimless cartridges for their early pump and autoloadingrifles. These Remington rimless numbers were ballistically identical to the.25-35 (.25 Rem.), .30-30 (.30 Rem.) and .32 Special (.32 Rem.).
The Remington rimless cartridges are now obsolete, butWinchester still loads .25-35 ammunition, as do some of the specialty ammomakers, such as Stars & Stripes. Occasionally someone turns out a fewrifles in the caliber. We reviewed a .25-35 Winchester Model 94 Trails End in2005. We would like to see Winchester chamber their new Model 94 rifles in.25-35 and suggested exactly that in our recent review of a new Model 94Sporter. (See the Product Reviews page for the reviews of both these Model 94 rifles.)We would also like to see Hornady include the .25-35 in their LeverEvolutionammunition line, loaded with a 117 grain FTX boat-tail spitzer bullet at over2400 fps, which should be easy to do with modern powders.
We like the .25-35 because it represents the lowest level ofrecoil in a cartridge suitable for hunting deer and other medium size CXP2game. Paragon extfs for windows crack activation. The present Winchester factory load launches a 117 grain flat pointbullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2230 fps, with 1292 ft. lbs. of muzzleenergy (ME). The velocity/energy at 100 yards is 1866 fps/904 ft. lbs., overthe 800 ft. lbs. minimum usually recommended for deer hunting. At 200 yards,the numbers are 1545 fps/620 ft. lbs. The maximum point blank range of thatload (+/- 3') is around 200 yards.
By the Guns and Shooting Online Staff. Receiver area of Model 1894.25-35 test rifle w/action unlocked. Photo by Suzie Patterson. The rifle that is the subject of this review belonged to Guns and Shooting Online Support person Suzie Patterson's Grandfather. According to its serial number. Mar 18, 2009 1963, but a special model was produced in the Custom Shop until 1979. In 1972 Winchester resurrected the Model 12 in its regular production line in 12 gauge only and ventilated rib. This reintroduced Model 12 was dropped in 1980. The prices listed are for guns made prior to 1964 or for guns with serial numbers below 1968307. The post-64 Winchester model 94 begin with serial number 2,700,000. Additionally, competition from other manufacturers like Marlin with their model 336, lever action, Winchester changed over from a top eject to an angle eject. The Winchester Model 1892 was an updated successor to the Model 1873 using a scaled-down action from the Model 1866. The rifle was chambered for the popular small-game cartridges of the time:.25-20,.32-20 (AKA the.32 WCF),.38-40 (AKA the.38 WCF),.44-40 (AKA the.44 WCF), and the rare.218 Bee.
These numbers are not impressive compared to the .243Winchester or .257 Roberts, but they compare favorably with other minimumrecoil deer cartridges, such as the .357 Magnum and .44-40 fired from rifles.In fact, the .25-35 delivers as much energy at 200 yards as the .357/180 grainfactory load does at 100 yards or the .44-40/200 grain factory load can musterat the muzzle. Seen in that light, a young or recoil sensitive beginning huntercould do worse than a .25-35 rifle.
According to the 'Rifle Recoil Table,' the .25-35normally produces between six and seven foot pounds of recoil energy in riflesweighing 6.5 to 7.5 pounds, or about half the recoil of a .30-30 fired in thesame rifle. That is similar to the recoil of one of the short 6mm benchrest cartridges, only the .25-35 shoots a fatter bullet that is almost 50% heavier.
We occasionally get mail asking what cartridge we recommendfor young (10-12 year old), recoil sensitive shooters anticipating their firstdeer hunt. If modern rifles and ammunition were available, the .25-35 woulddefinitely be at or near the top of our list. If you agree, please send a noteto Winchester Repeating Arms, Henry and Marlin asking for .25-35 rifles and to Hornadyand Winchester Ammunition requesting modern .25-35 factory loads. Our sportdesperately needs rifles chambered for moderate, low recoil cartridges suitablefor beginning hunters.
The rifle that is the subject of this review is in very goodcondition and would serve a beginner nicely. Unfortunately, due to collectordemand for old Model 1894 rifles in calibers other than .30-30 and .32 Special,its fair market value puts it out of the typical beginning hunter's priceclass. Few dads would be willing (or able) to spend so much money for their12 year old offspring's first centerfire rifle.
Specifications
Winchester Serial Numbers Model 250
Model: Winchester 1894
Type: Lever action rifle
Caliber: .25-35 WCF
Barrel: Octagon; nickel steel for smokeless powder
Stock: 2-piece black walnut; straight hand with crescent rifle butt plate
Overall length: 44'
Weight: approx. 7.5 lbs.
2011 used value: Approx. $2500 (75% original finish per Fjestads)
As one might expect of a rifle manufactured in 1907 by oneof the greatest arms makers of the time, this rifle is built entirely of forgedsteel parts and walnut. It was carefully assembled by skilled workers. The bore of our test rifle is somewhat worn, but shiny andin generally good condition.
Safety is provided by a hammer safety notch. When the chamber is loaded, manually lower the hammer from the full-cock position until it engages the safety notch (about 3/4 of the way down). This is easy to do. Keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction while you are lowering the hammer. Yes, the hammer can be forced by a perfectly directed, very heavy blow, such as from a carpenter's hammer, but so what? That is not going to happen in the field.
In addition to the stock sights, this rifle wears a folding, tang mounted peep sight. This is probably the fastest type of ironsight ever devised for a hunting rifle and considerably easier with which toshoot accurately than the standard open sights. It is especially good formiddle aged shooters whose eyes have lost some of their power of accommodation.
We were interested in getting this .25-35 to the range forsome shooting. Our friends at Winchester Ammunition kindly provided 100 roundsof Super-X .25-35 ammunition for this review, for which we are very grateful.Please support them by buying and using their products.
Winchester Serial Numbers Model 9422m
As usual, we did our shooting at the Izaak Walton outdoor range south of Eugene, Oregon. Thisfacility offers covered bench rests with target stands at 25, 50, 100 and 200yards, but we confined our shooting to 100 yards, a long way for iron sightsand our aging eyes. The bulk of the shooting was done from a bench rest over sandbags by Guns and Shooting Online staff membersChuck Hawks and Rocky Hays.
The results were excellent. We found the old rifle capable ofshooting 2' to 2-1/2' groups, when we did our part, using the tang mountedaperture sight. (Neither Chuck nor Rocky have any use for semi-buckhorn open sights.) Word for mac multilevel list not working.
Chuck and Rocky found the recoil to be low and this, of course,promotes good shooting. Suzie, who is not an experienced rifle shooter, had previously fired her grandfather'srifle and thought it kicked pretty hard, although she was able to keep her bullets on the target.
This merely illustrates that riflesin common calibers experienced shooters are inclined to take for granted (.30-30, 7mm-08,.260 and others of that ilk) may be beyond the ability of inexperiencedshooters to shoot without flinching. The .25-35 may well be all a beginner canhandle and clean kills result from proper bullet placement, not raw power.
We all came away from our range session impressed with thegentle .25-35 cartridge and the accuracy of this turn of the 20th Century Model1894 rifle. As mentioned above, our sport desperately needs hunting rifles chamberedfor moderate, low recoil cartridges suitable for young (and old) shooters andit just doesn't get any better than a sleek lever action rifle chambered for the .25-35 cartridge.
Note: A review of a recent production Model 94 in .25-35 may be found on the Product Reviews page.
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:54 am
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Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:43 pm Posts: 1357
Well beings I can't sleep anyway. I was thinking about a shotgun my father once had. A Winchster model 25. Now I was told these are hard to come by. I was also wondering what gauges it came in. I know it came in 12 but did it also come in 20? Some day I would like to find one of these guns. I would greatly appreciate any information on this shotgun.
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just going by the blue book, available in 12 only---non takedown version of the model 12----almost 88k made between 1949-54
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:38 am
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Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:38 pm Posts: 202
The model 25 was made to try and get back market share from Remington when their 870 started outselling the model 12 by leaps and bounds due to a much lower price. The 25 is modeled after the model 12 (like said above) but does not break down. P_102
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:56 am
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Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:40 pm Posts: 2345
Hello shotgun minister: Well lets see, it's already been said that this gun was made from 1949-1954, and about 88,000 were made. the only guage was 12, they all had 28 inch plain barrels, with one of the following chokes, Full, Mod. or Imp/Cyl. the only other option, would have been a winchester recoil pad vs the butt plate. I will have to take exception to what P_102 said. the remington 870 didn't come out until 1950 a year after Winchester came out with the Md 25. The Md 12 was approaching $100 by 1949, and when the Md 25 came out it was $79. Winchester tried to offer a little cheaper pump gun. when looking at the production numbers of the Md 12 from 1950-1963 along side the Remington 870, it was evident which gun the public preferred. In 1963 when remington came out with the pressed chekered stocks, higher polished blue, and winchester decided to stop producing the field grade gun, the 870 sales took off, and is still the leading pump gun today. (yes I own one too!) LOL regards Dave
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:05 am
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Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:38 pm Posts: 202
Only Winchesters...thanx for the correction. P_102